the nature of many of those issues is quite different to tax distribution.
all i'll say is, i just hope that those receiving payments now who don't really need them never complain about where their tax is going in the future. because chances are a large chunk of it will be going to the next generation of themselves.
Yeah, agreed.
I might be one of those people you call "a welfare cheat." I mean, I qualify and all that, but just. But I'm really enjoying doing homework for my subjects, so it is literally like my job.
[PS, you'd be surprised how little "welfare cheats" exist in Australia. Our welfare system is pretty good.]
i haven't called anyone a cheat. it's not cheating if you're acting with in the rules.
cheating would be receiving unemployment entitlements without seeking out work.
i'm just of the opinion that the requirements be changed. but i'm not to judge who does or doesn't have it if they are acting with in the guidelines the government sets. that's why my problem is directed there rather than those who receive it themselves. _________________
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i love you ry4n you know what you are talking about
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject:
ry4n wrote:
stax_of_stef wrote:
ry4n wrote:
the nature of many of those issues is quite different to tax distribution.
all i'll say is, i just hope that those receiving payments now who don't really need them never complain about where their tax is going in the future. because chances are a large chunk of it will be going to the next generation of themselves.
Yeah, agreed.
I might be one of those people you call "a welfare cheat." I mean, I qualify and all that, but just. But I'm really enjoying doing homework for my subjects, so it is literally like my job.
[PS, you'd be surprised how little "welfare cheats" exist in Australia. Our welfare system is pretty good.]
i haven't called anyone a cheat. it's not cheating if you're acting with in the rules.
cheating would be receiving unemployment entitlements without seeking out work.
i'm just of the opinion that the requirements be changed. but i'm not to judge who does or doesn't have it if they are acting with in the guidelines the government sets. that's why my problem is directed there rather than those who receive it themselves.
I just used "cheat" to make it clear who we were talking about. _________________
about the homework thing... i also do my fair share of study, but i find the time to work as well. it means i get pretty run down at times and i'm pretty flat out, but i don't believe others should pay for my luxuries.
because while i have parents putting a roof over my head and feeding me and the government is loaning me funds for my education, anything on top of that in my opinion is luxury. _________________
AdaMat wrote:
i love you ry4n you know what you are talking about
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject:
ry4n wrote:
about the homework thing... i also do my fair share of study, but i find the time to work as well. it means i get pretty run down at times and i'm pretty flat out, but i don't believe others should pay for my luxuries.
because while i have parents putting a roof over my head and feeding me and the government is loaning me funds for my education, anything on top of that in my opinion is luxury.
I disagree with that.
I have social anxiety, getting, and maintaining a job, is hard and very stressful.
The youth allowance is helping me reach my full potential, viz a degree so I can enter the job market, or study until I do. Hell, if everything goes to plan in my academic life I'll be on youth allowance/Austudy until I'm 26ish. _________________
the nature of many of those issues is quite different to tax distribution.
all i'll say is, i just hope that those receiving payments now who don't really need them never complain about where their tax is going in the future. because chances are a large chunk of it will be going to the next generation of themselves.
Yeah, agreed.
I might be one of those people you call "a welfare cheat." I mean, I qualify and all that, but just. But I'm really enjoying doing homework for my subjects, so it is literally like my job.
[PS, you'd be surprised how little "welfare cheats" exist in Australia. Our welfare system is pretty good.]
i haven't called anyone a cheat. it's not cheating if you're acting with in the rules.
cheating would be receiving unemployment entitlements without seeking out work.
i'm just of the opinion that the requirements be changed. but i'm not to judge who does or doesn't have it if they are acting with in the guidelines the government sets. that's why my problem is directed there rather than those who receive it themselves.
"Cheating" is getting a benefit youre not entitled to, Like getting the dole or austudy and working cash in hand at the local bakery for $12.50 an hour. Or working at centrelink, living rent free with your mother, and then claiming rent assistance. _________________ for sale
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about the homework thing... i also do my fair share of study, but i find the time to work as well. it means i get pretty run down at times and i'm pretty flat out, but i don't believe others should pay for my luxuries.
because while i have parents putting a roof over my head and feeding me and the government is loaning me funds for my education, anything on top of that in my opinion is luxury.
I disagree with that.
I have social anxiety, getting, and maintaining a job, is hard and very stressful.
The youth allowance is helping me reach my full potential, viz a degree so I can enter the job market, or study until I do. Hell, if everything goes to plan in my academic life I'll be on youth allowance/Austudy until I'm 26ish.
^ Thats exactly the attitude that ryan and myself are opposed to.
I did 3 years of uni studying, maintaining a high average, and working. I worked early mornings (ie 4am) so that I could live. I didnt get the benefits i was entitled to because i didnt NEED them, much like you.
IIRC you are a private school boy and still live at home. You dont need it, but you have chosen to take the easy option and get benefits instead of working. You COULD work and study and still do well, but you have CHOSEN not to.
Im not saying you are a cheat, as you are just making good of whats on offer, however I disagree that the benefit is available to people who are "well off". Especially those with degrees with <20 contact hours _________________ http://www.myspace.com/amirala
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject:
slashin_velvet wrote:
stax_of_stef wrote:
ry4n wrote:
about the homework thing... i also do my fair share of study, but i find the time to work as well. it means i get pretty run down at times and i'm pretty flat out, but i don't believe others should pay for my luxuries.
because while i have parents putting a roof over my head and feeding me and the government is loaning me funds for my education, anything on top of that in my opinion is luxury.
I disagree with that.
I have social anxiety, getting, and maintaining a job, is hard and very stressful.
The youth allowance is helping me reach my full potential, viz a degree so I can enter the job market, or study until I do. Hell, if everything goes to plan in my academic life I'll be on youth allowance/Austudy until I'm 26ish.
^ Thats exactly the attitude that ryan and myself are opposed to.
I did 3 years of uni studying, maintaining a high average, and working. I worked early mornings (ie 4am) so that I could live. I didnt get the benefits i was entitled to because i didnt NEED them, much like you.
IIRC you are a private school boy and still live at home. You dont need it, but you have chosen to take the easy option and get benefits instead of working. You COULD work and study and still do well, but you have CHOSEN not to.
Im not saying you are a cheat, as you are just making good of whats on offer, however I disagree that the benefit is available to people who are "well off". Especially those with degrees with <20 contact hours
The fact I qualify for youth allowance (barely or otherwise) means that my parents struggled to send me to a private school. My dad is a teacher, and that is our family's only income.
I also suffer from a psychological disability, diagnosed by psychiatrists. It makes working and adjusting to new environments difficult. [Maybe this is grounds for me NEEDING this "luxury," you decide, after all, you're the one passing moral judgement.]
Despite the fact my degree has less than 20 contact hours, I still have to study, and I study quite a bit- it's cathartic.
I think it's a personal choice what you've done, but I would have counselled for you to apply for youth allowance. It gives you a little more security, being a student and all. _________________
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:29 pm Post subject:
I could write a big, fat, story here and let you know what I think but I feel that it won't go down too well.
I'll just say that the welfare/dole is easy money for those that CAN work but choose not to. And yet, my wife and myself have been paying taxes for over 45yrs combined and we can't get a single cent to tie us over until I find a job. It's been 4 months heading to five.
We are still paying taxes/fees/duties and other bloody gov. taxes...
Don't get me started. _________________ Too many amps. Too many guitars. Too many pedals. Who cares....
The fact I qualify for youth allowance (barely or otherwise) means that my parents struggled to send me to a private school. My dad is a teacher, and that is our family's only income.
I also suffer from a psychological disability, diagnosed by psychiatrists. It makes working and adjusting to new environments difficult. [Maybe this is grounds for me NEEDING this "luxury," you decide, after all, you're the one passing moral judgement.]
Despite the fact my degree has less than 20 contact hours, I still have to study, and I study quite a bit- it's cathartic.
I think it's a personal choice what you've done, but I would have counselled for you to apply for youth allowance. It gives you a little more security, being a student and all.
Im the same in terms of having parents who struggled to give me an education, I do not however have a psychological disability.
Not getting youth allowance was certainly a choice of mine, and its not something I regret. I do still think the system needs to change to accomodate those who NEED it, and not just those with a legal right. If your disability necessitates that NEED, then you would be entitled to it.
Youth allowance in iteself is not enough to live on because it has to be spread amongst so many different parties. If it went to those who truely needed it, they would be able to get by independently. _________________ http://www.myspace.com/amirala
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